Brawl in the Mall lll?

[kanada kidd]

maybe, i have to pop a couple smaller shows in to keep the guys busy. (biggest show ever in june)

would have to raise cages side and balconey stool prices slightly and drastically reduce standing room tickets, maybe $20 - $25

same quility of fights etc.

we could do two or three a year and still do a couple really big edm shows.

guess i'm asking what everyone things. the venue certainly has some challenges but it does have some benifits as well.

[Sweet]

Great idea, a few good smaller shows are always great !

[rvboy]

We'd do more BITM for sure!!

[Tee-may]

I'd fight, but I think the turn outs would be progressively worse

[kanada kidd]

I'd fight, but I think the turn outs would be progressively worse

Even with cheap tickets?

[~RyeNcoke~]

maybe, i have to pop a couple smaller shows in to keep the guys busy. (biggest show ever in june)

would have to raise cages side and balconey stool prices slightly and drastically reduce standing room tickets, maybe $20 - $25

same quility of fights etc.

we could do two or three a year and still do a couple really big edm shows.

guess i'm asking what everyone things. the venue certainly has some challenges but it does have some benifits as well.

add more big screens $$$ around the whole eec it would be a better atmosphere

[kanada kidd]

We can do more more screens as well as open up the whole top balcony.

Looking at mid to late march

[Ent]

More fights the better IMO.

[Tee-may]

I guess its worth a try, the cheaper tickets might attract more people. Any chance of it being all ages?

[kanada kidd]

I guess its worth a try, the cheaper tickets might attract more people. Any chance of it being all ages?

i'll find out, it's hard because it's considered a nightclub. however, the top section where we had the first dinner is separate so we may be able to have that as all ages

[bkb]

sounds good.

[Shawn Clark]

all ages would be awesome!!!

[kanada kidd]

we would have to have a separate section for all ages, probably the balconys that we don't have the stools on. they go around the north and west side. some great seats up there but not a lot of them

[steph@digitally]

I was wondering if the cage could be moved off the stage so that we can have people all around (maybe more centered). if the stage can't be taken down because it's permanent, maybe it can be made as the vip section with seats on it. Maybe have more seats in the bottom floor for people to sit instead of standing. Is there anyway to get some sort of bleachers in there? I can try to have a table along the wall or something instead of being at the cage for video switching. I can't remember if that railing around the cage was permanent.
Also if the cage was more centered, the fighters would have a better entrance

Just a thought, i'm not sure if it's feasible:D

[Tap Or Snap]

All great ideas (above post) As I have been a fighter, a corner, and a spectator all these could greatly improve an otherwise tight show, tight uncomfortable not gangsta good tight lol.

[tank87]

I think it would be a great idea, I have alot of people ask me when kotc is gonna have another event. And hopefully if I fight in it I could sell alotta tickets..

[kanada kidd]

i don't think the cage would fit on the floor and still leave enough room around it for everyone. that was our original idea, but we had to scrap it and go with the stage.

[steph@digitally]

yeah, i wasn't sure about the whole setup it's kind of a blur for me as i am pretty busy that day. I would like to go have a look next week. Are they opened during the day?:D

[goregod]

I hate this Venue- but definately will still support KOTC...

[Oran Juice Jones]

In my most humble, obsequious and unostentatious opinion KOTC Canada must fully know and understand the needs of it's target audience before making any adjustments to its presentation. Opening a fight so people of "all ages" can attend will attract negative publicity and that will also be construed as showing no respect and/or restraint to gudeliness already set in place for what is and is not acceptable. Setting an age limit of the events shows an understanding of the sensitivities cage fighting brings out in some segments of society, also it projects a sense of seriousness to a sport that demands it. But most importantly, it sets perimeters that indicates a sense of order that does not permit chaos outside the cage, where laws and mores must be followed by combatants and fans alike.
I for one would not feel comfortable attending a fight knowing that kids are watching it beside me. What would their responce be to being conditioned to watching fights that are extremely violent once they are out of the arena? Ask parents what they think of this idea and you will get a responce that is highly honest and extremely indicative of what the feelings are about this without issue without having to spend money on a major study. People take very seriously what influences their children's lives these days, and the last thing KOTC Canada needs is to be seen as a chaotic promoter of violence amongst the young.
Would it be a good idea to have a 75-year old woman who reeks of joint pain cream be a cage girl? No. The people who that service is directed at would probably all gag to death, and that in a nutshell is the consequence of not knowing your target audience.

[Oran Juice Jones]

In my most humble, obsequious and unostentatious opinion KOTC Canada must fully know and understand the needs of it's target audience before making any adjustments to its presentation. Opening a fight so people of "all ages" can attend will attract negative publicity and that will also be construed as showing no respect and/or restraint to guideliness already set in place for what is and is not acceptable. Setting an age limit on the events shows a complete understanding of the sensitivities cage fighting brings out in some segments of society, also it projects a sense of seriousness to a sport that demands it. But most importantly, it sets perimeters that indicates a sense of order that does not permit chaos outside the cage, where laws and mores must be followed by combatants and fans alike.
I for one would not feel comfortable attending a fight knowing that kids are watching it beside me. What would their responce be to being conditioned to watching fights that are extremely violent once they are out of the arena? What if a fight breaks out amongst little Johnny and little Mickey at one of the KOTC Canada events, how are the KOTC Canada spin doctors going to explain that in a positive way? Ask parents what they think of this idea and you will get a responce that is highly honest and extremely indicative of what the feelings are about this suggestion without without having to spend money on a major study. People take very seriously what influences their children's lives these days, and the last thing KOTC Canada needs is to be seen as a chaotic promoter of violence amongst the very young.
Would it be a good idea to have a 75-year old woman who reeks of joint pain cream be a cage girl? No. The people who that service is directed at would probably all gag to death, and that in a nutshell is the consequence of not knowing your target audience.
No disrespect intended, just expressing my views.

[Tee-may]

Not sure if you know this Juice, but I am a substitute teacher. I teach at many different schools, and interact with a LOT of students and parents. Besides the question of whether or not I could beat Batista, I get asked most about when my next fight is, and how a person can get tickets because their kids would LOVE to go. Kids as young as grade 3.

I don't think a live MMA event will scar a child for life, after all, parents do buy their young children video games where you can slice a persons head off with Laser beams, or gnar someone with a flame-thrower while the person is screaming and writhing in pain.

[Oran Juice Jones]

Not sure if you know this Juice, but I am a substitute teacher. I teach at many different schools, and interact with a LOT of students and parents. Besides the question of whether or not I could beat Batista, I get asked most about when my next fight is, and how a person can get tickets because their kids would LOVE to go. Kids as young as grade 3.

I don't think a live MMA event will scar a child for life, after all, parents do buy their young children video games where you can slice a persons head off with Laser beams, or gnar someone with a flame-thrower while the person is screaming and writhing in pain.

Great idea Tim!! Now I suggest you start a campaign where we all sign a petition so we can see live executions on television...When I was in Junior High School I wanted to sleep with my English teacher, man she was hot, to bad you weren't there to make that possible. By the way, I kind of guessed that three year-olds were asking you the question whether you could beat Batista or not.

[Tee-may]

That doesnt make any sense at all.

[monsterjay]

"That doesnt make any sense at all."




Im with Tim on this one....:p

[bkb]

I disagree with Tim, he's way off. I agree with Jay.:p

[Ruffian]

I'm with Tim on this. We see far worse things on television or video games especially. There are alot of my family members and friends that would like to see the fights but sometimes can't do to them not being all ages as my nephews and nieces would like to see me and other fighters fight. MMA is growing so fast and we can't forget the kids. They are the up and comers of how the sport grows. MMA is, in my opinion, getting bigger than WWE. Therefore if it were, I know we could sell alot more tickets for Ken. Also Ken, I'd like to fight whenever you have a card coming up.

[Tap.Or.Snap]

This is gonna sound like a straight outta compton story, but Ive seen far worse growin up in shitty neighbourhoods, at school, and obviously on TV. MMA simply needs to be promoted differently to kids. As a sport, as competition and as a high disciplined event. All kinds of kids start off with Karate which has a far more gruesome past than MMA. Ninja Turtles got some kids to jump in sewers, but I didnt hear one story of how some kid "unfortunately" learned to respect others and engage in team spirit.

[steph@digitally]

I don't think it's a problem to have children at the shows. My son enjoys watching the UFC or KOTC when i'm editing the KOTC matches. He's only 6 so i don't think i will bring him to a MMA event anytime soon. For sure when he is a teenager, as if he keeps training with me, he'll really enjoy and appreciate the fights. At the last BITM 2, though i was surprised by the behaviors of some spectators. Some of them were right out of it pissed drunk in the bathroom, and banging their heads together really hard. I don't think any kids need to see that. I have seen some pretty rowdy behaviors at some MFC events as well. I guess if there was a special section to keep the kids away from the riff raff, it would be ok:D

[MFSCANADA]

execution on tv ????

wtf does that have to do with MMA .

MMA is pop culture right now, go to a UFC or IFL event their are alot of children there with their parents.

MMA is on its way or already a main stream sport , with a huge following of all ages ....

by calling it "cage fighting " and saying its not "publically acceptable" thats whats holding it back , or saying the shows should be 18 yrs plus.

Boxing isnt , wrestling isnt

Tim your a teacher , you can back me, when was the last time you seen a kid jump off your desk and slam another ???let me guess never!!! Ive been teaching children martial Arts for 16 years from the ages of 3 and up , and these kids CAN fight !! but they dont because i have taught them to use their heads, they have all grown into young adults with morals, values , and sick martial arts skills !!!


Children are brought up by their parents , they are taught right or wrong by their parents.

I have a 3 and a nine year old, they watch fights with me. they know half of the guys fighting !! they know all the fighters from the gym. when i go to the school all the kids ask if i know so and so , when is the next ufc , whos gonna win The Ultimate Fighter, why is Matt Serra such a dick ( haha sorry that was me )

Anyway, MMA is a sport with the Best Athletes , if we want it to be acceptable then we have to Promote it that way. Dont hide it from ppl that want to see it .

Bottomline if someone doesnt like it ... dont buy a ticket !!!!!

If you dont want your children to see it ,,, then dont allow them


and if your comparing executions on TV and MMA , then you really need to be on a different forum.... i dont know what or where ....

but really not here , this is for intelligent debate and expression of opinon !!!

[MFSCANADA]

one more note

I wouldnt bring my children to a live event

But that is my choice

not bc the event is too violent

BECAUSE OF ALOT OF THE MORONS THAT GET PISSED AND ACT LIKE ASSHOLES.

I dont even like hanging out at alot of shows bc of that.

Increase security , kicks those assholes out !

it would be more enjoyable for everyone

[steph@digitally]

Yep, that's what i was referring to as well in my post. The morons are showing the wrong examples as opposed to the fans who are really there to watch the actions and cheer on their friends, teammate etc... I believe that if you raise your child properly or to the best of your ability, they will behave properly and realized that some assholes are just that. It's just not right when the guy behind you start screaming obscenities at the fighters and gets out of control. I don't think that most fans wants to have to deal with that. I mean the fighters are actually out there to bang with each others or really try to submit each others, and when all is said and done and it's over, they pat each other on the back, shake hands, even hug!!! That's true sportmanship. And for the most part they are not swearing at each other or calling each other names etc... Just the morons in the crowd:D

[Tee-may]

Sandy is correct, I've never seen any student at school slam someone, or slap on an armbar with the intent to injure.

The worst it gets at school really is a couple of disrespectful punks might get into a slap fight where usually the first one to land anything wins.

[jwloco]

That's it!!! Tim you and me in a slap fight next Edmonton show!

[~RyeNcoke~]

http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x5s79_ak1995_wrestling/video/x2f3yn_wrestlings-most-brutal-and-amazing_sport

[~RyeNcoke~]

That's it!!! Tim you and me in a slap fight next Edmonton show!

Tim's a No Show what happen to the drinking competition???

[Tee-may]

Slap fight hey?

Only if back handed chest slaps are allowed.

Drinking contest is still on if you are game Ryen.

[~RyeNcoke~]

Slap fight hey?

Only if back handed chest slaps are allowed.

Drinking contest is still on if you are game Ryen.

o yeah!!!

sounds like another busy night for you...

[Tee-may]

Very busy night man, because I rarely drink. I think i'll get through it though.

[kanada kidd]

We should have a date for this show on monday.

[Rain-bows]

Will this be the next show or will this one be after "Gold Rush"?